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NJ Man Who Stabbed Dad Dead Tried Burning Body To Destroy Evidence, Investigators Find NJ Man Who Stabbed Dad Dead Tried Burning Body To Destroy Evidence, Investigators Find
NJ Man Who Stabbed Dad Dead Tried Burning Body To Destroy Evidence, Investigators Find UPDATE: A Paramus man who’d just stabbed his father to death dragged the body to a bathroom and tried to set it on fire last week as part of an attempt to conceal what he’d done, authorities said. Melvin Thomas repeatedly stabbed his father, 61-year-old Manuel Thomas, in the chest with a kitchen knife on Valentine’s Day, a criminal complaint says. He then dragged the bloody corpse to a bathroom where he tried igniting it with a lighter, according to the complaint filed by Paramus Police Detective Justin Sicari. “This attempt failed,” the detective wrote. Melvin Thomas wiped off the bloody…
GOTCHA! South American Theft Network Fugitive Pegged In $25,000 NJ Home Burglary, More GOTCHA! South American Theft Network Fugitive Pegged In $25,000 NJ Home Burglary, More
Gotcha! South American Theft Network Fugitive Pegged In $25,000 NJ Home Burglary, More A wanted member of a notorious transnational group of thieves was tied by Dumont detectives to the theft of $25,000 in cash during a home break-in two months ago. Jhan Michael Rodriguez-Fonseca, 26, lives in Jersey City and most recently worked as a food delivery driver, Dumont Police Chief Brian Joyce said. He really belongs to what’s known as the South American Theft Group network and is tied to other burglaries in the state, the chief said. He was also wanted by the NYPD and by agents with U.S. Homeland Security Investigations (HSI), he said. Primarily from Colombia, the members of the…
Paramus Murder: Man Stabbed Dad Dead, Left Him In Home Two Days, Sources Say Paramus Murder: Man Stabbed Dad Dead, Left Him In Home Two Days, Sources Say
Paramus Murder: Man Stabbed Dad Dead, Left Him In Home Two Days, Sources Say UPDATE: A Paramus man who’d just stabbed his father to death dragged the body to a bathroom and tried to set it on fire last week as part of an attempt to conceal what he’d done, authorities said. Melvin Thomas repeatedly stabbed his father, 61-year-old Manuel Thomas, in the chest with a kitchen knife on Valentine’s Day, a criminal complaint says. He then dragged the bloody corpse to a bathroom where he tried igniting it with a lighter, according to the complaint filed by Paramus Police Detective Justin Sicari. “This attempt failed,” the detective wrote. Melvin Thomas wiped off the b…
Paramus Man Stabbed Dead By Son, Left For Two Days: Authorities Paramus Man Stabbed Dead By Son, Left For Two Days: Authorities
Paramus Man Stabbed Dead By Son, Left For Two Days: Authorities UPDATE: A Paramus man who’d just stabbed his father to death dragged the body to a bathroom and tried to set it on fire last week as part of an attempt to conceal what he’d done, authorities said. Melvin Thomas repeatedly stabbed his father, 61-year-old Manuel Thomas, in the chest with a kitchen knife on Valentine’s Day, a criminal complaint says. He then dragged the bloody corpse to a bathroom where he tried igniting it with a lighter, according to the complaint filed by Paramus Police Detective Justin Sicari. “This attempt failed,” the detective wrote. Melvin Thomas wiped off …
Hudson Ex-Con Delivering Flowers Convicted Of Sexually Assaulting Woman On Bergen Street Hudson Ex-Con Delivering Flowers Convicted Of Sexually Assaulting Woman On Bergen Street
Hudson Ex-Con Delivering Flowers Convicted Of Sexually Assaulting Woman On Bergen Street A floral deliveryman with a criminal history was convicted of grabbing a woman on a Leonia street and trying to sexually assault her in Leonia after harassing her 20 minutes earlier in Fort Lee. Randy Gallman of Jersey City was on the clock when he harassed the woman the afternoon of Dec. 29, 2020, Bergen County Prosecutor Mark Musella said. He caught up to her a short time later, dragged her into an alleyway and tried to sexually assault her, the prosecutor said on Friday, Dec. 16. The victim said she screamed and Gallman ran off as she dialed 911. Local police notified detectives with M…
Pedestrian From Fort Lee, 56, Struck, Killed By Commuter Bus Near GWB (UPDATED) Pedestrian From Fort Lee, 56, Struck, Killed By Commuter Bus Near GWB (UPDATED)
Pedestrian From Fort Lee, 56, Struck, Killed By Commuter Bus Near GWB (Updated) A Fort Lee resident was struck and killed by a commuter bus while crossing a busy intersection near the George Washington Bridge before dawn Wednesday. The NJ Transit bus was headed north on Lemoine Avenue when the driver made a left turn onto Bruce Reynolds Boulevard (formerly Bridge Plaza South) and struck the 56-year-old pedestrian at 5:05 a.m. Jan. 10, Fort Lee Deputy Police Chief Edward Young said. Port Authority and Fort Lee police officers quickly responded and conducted CPR, the deputy chief said. The pedestrian was pronounced dead a short time later at Englewood Hospital and …
GOTCHA! Accused Route 4 Road Rage Driver Caught, Charged With Attempted Murder In Stabbing GOTCHA! Accused Route 4 Road Rage Driver Caught, Charged With Attempted Murder In Stabbing
Gotcha! Accused Route 4 Road Rage Driver Caught, Charged With Attempted Murder In Stabbing UPDATE: A manhunt ended with the arrest in Belleville of a Paterson motorist on attempted murder charges following the stabbing of another driver during a noontime road rage incident on Route 4 in Paramus, authorities confirmed. Christian A. Velez, 24, and the victim got out of their vehicles in front of the Popeye's on the highway’s eastbound side during an unspecified argument around 11:30 a.m. Thursday, Dec. 28, Paramus Police Chief Robert Guidetti said. The 28-year-old victim, who was driving a Mercedes van, was stabbed in the side and back and slashed once on the arm, the chief said. …
Troubled Dad Plunges To Death From NJ/NY Lookout Troubled Dad Plunges To Death From NJ/NY Lookout
Troubled Dad Plunges To Death From NJ/NY Lookout A troubled man from River Edge who’d just been involved in a fender bender leaped to his death from atop the Palisades at the New York/New Jersey border on Wednesday, Dec. 13, authorities confirmed. The 38-year-old man had hit a couple of cars while trying to back out of a dead end near his son’s school. A resident shared video of the incident with River Edge police who -- aware of his history -- began looking for the troubled driver. Then came the heartbreaking news. It was shortly before 5 p.m. when a concerned citizen called Palisades Interstate Parkway Police from the State Line …
UPDATE: 87-Year-Old Bergen Man Stabbed, Bludgeoned, Drowned By Son, Police Charge UPDATE: 87-Year-Old Bergen Man Stabbed, Bludgeoned, Drowned By Son, Police Charge
Update: 87-Year-Old Bergen Man Stabbed, Bludgeoned, Drowned By Son, Police Charge UPDATE: An unemployed Franklin Lakes man stabbed, bludgeoned and drowned his 87-year-old father in their home, then went to the police station to confess to the murder, according to a report outlining the horrific assault. David Allen Hagal, 60, was charged with murder and illegal weapons possession in the brutal murder of his 87-year-old father. Borough police rushed to the home, found the body of George J. Hagal and took David Allen Hagal, 60, into custody shortly after 7:30 a.m. Sunday, Dec. 10. The younger Hagal hit his father in the head with a metal pipe and stabbed him multiple…
Murder In Franklin Lakes: Son Charged With Killing 87-Year-Old Father, Multiple Weapons Seized Murder In Franklin Lakes: Son Charged With Killing 87-Year-Old Father, Multiple Weapons Seized
Murder In Franklin Lakes: Son Charged With Killing 87-Year-Old Father, Multiple Weapons Seized UPDATE: An unemployed Franklin Lakes man stabbed, bludgeoned and drowned his 87-year-old father in their home, then went to the police station to confess to the murder, according to a report outlining the horrific assault. David Allen Hagal, 60, was charged with murder and illegal weapons possession in the brutal murder of his 87-year-old father. Borough police rushed to the home, found the body of George J. Hagal and took David Allen Hagal, 60, into custody shortly after 7:30 a.m. Sunday, Dec. 10. The younger Hagal hit his father in the head with a metal pipe and stabbed him multiple…
Fair Lawn Native, 32, Killed In Route 208 Thanksgiving Day Crash Fair Lawn Native, 32, Killed In Route 208 Thanksgiving Day Crash
Fair Lawn Native, 32, Killed In Route 208 Thanksgiving Day Crash A 32-year-old driver from Fair Lawn was killed when his car struck a utility pole on Route 208 early Thanksgiving evening. William Hennecke was driving his 2002 Porsche Boxter convertible when it veered off the southbound highway and into a utility pole just past Maple Avenue shortly after 5:30 p.m. Thursday, Nov. 23, Fair Lawn police said. Hennecke was pronounced dead at the scene, they said. An investigation was continuing. William "Billy" Hennecke SPECIAL to DAILY VOICE A funeral service is scheduled for 10 a.m. Wednesday at the Vander Plaat Colonial Home at 13-31 Saddle River…
DEATH ON THE CLIFFS: Palisades Jumper Arranged Personal Items First, Police Say DEATH ON THE CLIFFS: Palisades Jumper Arranged Personal Items First, Police Say
Death ON THE Cliffs: Palisades Jumper Arranged Personal Items First, Police Say A 29-year-old man left some personal items arranged neatly on a rock before jumping to his death Wednesday from the Palisades, authorities said. Several witnesses reported seeing the Stamford, CT resident jump off the edge of the cliff at the State Line Lookout in Alpine, near New Jersey's northeastern border with New York State, shortly before 11:30 a.m. Nov. 22, Palisades Interstate Parkway Police Lt. Raymond Walter said. The responding officers "located personal items neatly set on a rock" nearby, the lieutenant said. The East Bergen Rappel Team recovered the man's body from the base o…
Juvenile Stabbed At Kosher Grocery Store In North Jersey Juvenile Stabbed At Kosher Grocery Store In North Jersey
Juvenile Stabbed At Kosher Grocery Store In North Jersey UPDATE: A 14-year-old boy was stabbed and slashed by a fellow Teaneck High School student in a Halloween clown mask, authorities confirmed. The 16-year-old assailant was still carrying the bloody knife when two Bogota police officers nabbed him following the apparently random Halloween night attack on Cedar Lane shortly before 9 p.m., Teaneck Police Chief Andrew McGurr said. The victim was stabbed in the buttocks and also suffered a deep cut on his face in the attack on Garrison Avenue, around the corner from the Seasons Express kosher grocery on Cedar Lane, the chief said early Wednesday,…
Juvenile Stabbed At Kosher Grocery Store In North Jersey Juvenile Stabbed At Kosher Grocery Store In North Jersey
Juvenile Stabbed At Kosher Grocery Store In North Jersey UPDATE: A 14-year-old boy was stabbed and slashed by a fellow Teaneck High School student in a Halloween clown mask, authorities confirmed. The 16-year-old assailant was still carrying the bloody knife when two Bogota police officers nabbed him following the apparently random Halloween night attack on Cedar Lane shortly before 9 p.m., Teaneck Police Chief Andrew McGurr said. The victim was stabbed in the buttocks and also suffered a deep cut on his face in the attack on Garrison Avenue, around the corner from the Seasons Express kosher grocery on Cedar Lane, the chief said early Wednesday,…
NJ Real Estate Agent Bludgeoned With Baseball Bat, Stepson Charged With Murder NJ Real Estate Agent Bludgeoned With Baseball Bat, Stepson Charged With Murder
NJ Real Estate Agent Bludgeoned With Baseball Bat, Stepson Charged With Murder A 48-year-old Cresskill real estate agent was bludgeoned to death with a baseball bat by her stepson, authorities confirmed Thursday. Borough police responding to a 911 call from her husband found the body of Irma Daniels in the family's Stonegate Trail townhouse shortly before 7 p.m. Wednesday, Aug. 16, Bergen County Prosecutor Mark Musella said. She'd been struck in the head with a baseball bat by John A. Daniels Jr., 30, the prosecutor said. Daniels fled but was later taken into custody, the prosecutor said. His father, attorney John A. Daniels Sr., identified him as the killer. The …
Murder Committed At North Jersey Townhouse: Prosecutor Murder Committed At North Jersey Townhouse: Prosecutor
Murder Committed At North Jersey Townhouse: Prosecutor A 48-year-old Cresskill real estate agent was bludgeoned to death with a baseball bat by her stepson, authorities confirmed Thursday. Borough police responding to a 911 call from her husband found the body of Irma Daniels in the family's Stonegate Trail townhouse shortly before 7 p.m. Wednesday, Aug. 16, Bergen County Prosecutor Mark Musella said. She'd been struck in the head with a baseball bat by John A. Daniels Jr., 30, the prosecutor said. Daniels fled but was later taken into custody, the prosecutor said. His father, attorney John A. Daniels Sr., identified him as the killer. The …
UPDATE: NJ Man, 71, Admits Smothering Wife With Pillow, Tossing Her Valuables In Dumpster UPDATE: NJ Man, 71, Admits Smothering Wife With Pillow, Tossing Her Valuables In Dumpster
Update: NJ Man, 71, Admits Smothering Wife With Pillow, Tossing Her Valuables In Dumpster UPDATE: A 71-year-old Hasbrouck Heights man admitted smothering his wife to death with a pillow and then tossing some of her valuables in a Dumpster in Wood-Ridge as part of a staged home invasion, investigators said. Michael J. Manis killed 72-year-old Judith Manis on Friday, Aug. 10, but didn’t call police to their home at 110 Hamilton Avenue until 5:01 p.m. Saturday, they said. Claiming he’d only just arrived home, Manis told a 911 dispatcher that his wife “was deceased and that she was possibly beaten,” Hasbrouck Heights Police Detective Nicholas Brunetti wrote in a criminal complaint. …
Prosecutor: Death Of Woman, 39, Found In Backyard Saddle River Pool Probed (UPDATE) Prosecutor: Death Of Woman, 39, Found In Backyard Saddle River Pool Probed (UPDATE)
Prosecutor: Death Of Woman, 39, Found In Backyard Saddle River Pool Probed (Update) Bergen County Prosecutor Mark Musella said Tuesday that the death of a 39-year-old woman found in a backyard pool the day before is being investigated. Saddle River police were called to the $2.7 million home on Fox Hedge Road off East Allendale Road at 4:26 p.m. Monday, July 31. They began life-saving measures that were continued by Bergen County EMS paramedics, who also used a bag-valve mask as they rushed her to their rig.They continued CPR all the way to HUMC, where she was pronounced dead, Saddle River Police Chief Jason Cosgriff said. Musella said his Major Crimes Unit and Saddle Riv…
Man, Woman Shot Dead At Hackensack Nursing Home Man, Woman Shot Dead At Hackensack Nursing Home
Man, Woman Shot Dead At Hackensack Nursing Home A 76-year-old visitor to a Hackensack nursing home shot and killed his 73-year-old wife terminally ill wife and then turned the gun on himself, responders said. No one apparently heard the shots at CareOne at Wellington on Union Street early Saturday, July 15, investigators said. The bodies of Michael Zaccario and Patricia Zaccario, both of Wood-Ridge, were found after someone went to the room to check on them, they said. Police received a 911 call from the facility at 8:51 a.m., then found the couple both dead of gunshot wounds, Bergen County Prosecutor Mark Musella said. The prosecutor'…
UPDATE: NJ College Student Dead, GF Hospitalized In Horrific Crash UPDATE: NJ College Student Dead, GF Hospitalized In Horrific Crash
Update: NJ College Student Dead, GF Hospitalized In Horrific Crash UPDATE: A 19-year-old college student from Garfield was killed and his girlfriend seriously injured when his Mustang slammed into the front of a new restaurant in Ridgefield early Saturday. The two were headed north on Broad Avenue when Yusuf Bakmaz missed the split to Grand Avenue on the left around midnight June 24, Ridgefield Police Chief TJ Gallagher said. The teen's white 2002 Ford Mustang barreled over the island, clipped another vehicle and swerved directly into Karden, which opened in April at the site of the old Chan's Dragon Inn. Bakmaz -- a sophomore who majored in computer sc…
High-Profile NJ Bank Robber Foiled By Cool Teller, Crime-Fighting Teamwork, Police Say High-Profile NJ Bank Robber Foiled By Cool Teller, Crime-Fighting Teamwork, Police Say
High-Profile NJ Bank Robber Foiled By Cool Teller, Crime-Fighting Teamwork, Police Say Looks like he might not have thought things through. A would-be Palisades Park bank robber from the Bronx was foiled by a composed teller, his own hastiness and forensic science, authorities said on Tuesday, June 20. Daqwaun D. Ralls, a 30-year-old self-employed DJ known as "DJ SonDae," already had a criminal past when he walked into the Shinhan Bank America branch on Broad Avenue on May 31. According to Palisades Park Police Lt. George Beck, Ralls handed the teller a note that said: "No dye packs." It also came with a warning that Ralls had gasoline in a bottle, along with a lighter and …
Police Charge Career Burglar Once Shot By Homeowner With NJ Jewelry Store Break-In Police Charge Career Burglar Once Shot By Homeowner With NJ Jewelry Store Break-In
Police Charge Career Burglar Once Shot By Homeowner With NJ Jewelry Store Break-In UPDATE: A career criminal who was once shot by a retired guidance counselor after breaking into his home was charged with burglarizing a Wyckoff jewelry store earlier this year. Alexander E. Manigat, 42, of Brooklyn, was arrested by Nassau County police last month in connection with a jewelry store burglary there, Wyckoff Police Lt. Joseph Soto said on Friday, June 2. Manigat quickly became a suspect in a 3:30 a.m. break-in at Hartger’s Jewelers on Wyckoff Avenue in Wyckoff on March 4, authorities said. Security cameras show one prowler entering Hartger’s by climbing a ladder and breaking …
COOL DUDE: Worker Wrestles Gun From NJ Convenience Store Robber COOL DUDE: Worker Wrestles Gun From NJ Convenience Store Robber
Cool Dude: Worker Wrestles Gun From NJ Convenience Store Robber A robber seemed desperate as she pointed a handgun and demanded money from a convenience store worker on the graveyard shift at a Route 46 gas station in Elmwood Park. The steel-nerved worker wasn’t rattled, though. The gun had no magazine. Gambling that there wasn't a bullet chambered, he snatched the weapon from her hands, then shouted to a colleague outside to call police. A male accomplice then rushed in and punched him in the head, freeing his partner. Elmwood Park police nabbed the Paterson couple moments later, Police Chief Michael Foligno said. Krystina Tracey-Vaughan, 30,…
HORRIFIC ATTACK: Rottweiler Mauling NJ Woman Shot Dead By Police HORRIFIC ATTACK: Rottweiler Mauling NJ Woman Shot Dead By Police
Horrific Attack: Rottweiler Mauling NJ Woman Shot Dead By Police A horrific scene played out as a group of Ridgefield Park police officers rescued two women and a dog who were being attacked by a pair of unleashed Rottweilers – one of whom had to be shot and killed. Both Rotts were attacking one of the women on Central Avenue when Officer Amanda Thomas arrived shortly before 8:30 p.m. Wednesday, April 5, Police Chief Joseph Rella said. “Without regard for her personal safety, Officer Thomas began rendering aid to the woman as the large, menacing dogs circled the scene and attempted to get back to the victim,” the chief said. Officers Corey Buljeta and L…
Housekeeper Hides After Burglars Break Into NJ Mansion Once Owned By Trump Ally From Russia Housekeeper Hides After Burglars Break Into NJ Mansion Once Owned By Trump Ally From Russia
Housekeeper Hides After Burglars Break Into NJ Mansion Once Owned By Trump Ally From Russia Two burglars who broke into a Bergen County mansion that once belonged to a Russian billionaire barely escaped when police screamed up, authorities said. The housekeeper was downstairs when she heard the intruders a floor above shortly after 8 p.m. Friday, Feb. 17, Alpine Police Chief Christopher Belcolle said. She rushed into a bathroom, one of 10 in the joint, then locked the door and called police. Officers were familiar with the French-manor-style brick colonial, which once belonged to oligarch Aras Agalarov when he was an ally of former President Trump. Sean "Diddy " Combs also l…
Young Girl Plunges Several Stories From NJ Apartment Building Young Girl Plunges Several Stories From NJ Apartment Building
Young Girl Plunges Several Stories From NJ Apartment Building UPDATE (2/21/2023): A 13-year-old girl who jumped from the roof of a five-story apartment building in Fairview last week has emerged from a medically-induced coma, multiple sources confirmed on Tuesday. “She’s alert, breathing on her own and aware of her surroundings -- getting better and better each day,” a law enforcement veteran told Daily Voice shortly after noon on Feb. 21. “It really is a miracle,” he said. “There’s no other way to put it.” Just six days earlier, the distressed youngster went to the roof of the brick building on Day Avenue as classmates headed home from Lincoln Scho…
One-Man Crime Wave: Arrest Made In Armed Gas Station, 7-Eleven Robberies In Four NJ Towns One-Man Crime Wave: Arrest Made In Armed Gas Station, 7-Eleven Robberies In Four NJ Towns
One-Man Crime Wave: Arrest Made In Armed Gas Station, 7-Eleven Robberies In Four NJ Towns Authorities charged an Essex County man with robbing three gas stations and two convenience stores in Bergen County at gunpoint – four of them in one night. Thomas Johnson, 30, of East Orange brandished a handgun while holding up two gas stations in Mahwah, another in Paramus and a 7-Eleven in Fair Lawn of several thousand dollars in less than half an hour late last month, Bergen County Prosecutor Mark Musella said. Johnson did it again three nights later, robbing a 7-Eleven in Elmwood Park of $650 as two employees locked themselves in the bathroom and called police, the prosecutor said. T…
North Jersey Laborer Torched Truck For Insurance Money, Authorities Charge North Jersey Laborer Torched Truck For Insurance Money, Authorities Charge
North Jersey Laborer Torched Truck For Insurance Money, Authorities Charge A laborer from Little Ferry was charged with torching his pickup truck outside his own home for the insurance money. Louis M. Molino, 40, was arrested soon after firefighters responding to a quiet Couchon Drive neighborhood near Route 46 found the 2008 Nissan Frontier ablaze around 11:30 p.m. Friday, Jan. 13, Bergen County Prosecutor Mark Musella said. Little Ferry police and members of Musella’s Major Crimes Unit, assisted by the Bergen County Sheriff’s Bureau of Criminal Identification, collected enough evidence to charge Molina with aggravated arson, arson and risking widespread injury o…
PHOTOS: Suspect Shot During DEA Operation In North Jersey PHOTOS: Suspect Shot During DEA Operation In North Jersey
Photos: Suspect Shot During DEA Operation In North Jersey One suspect was hospitalized and three others were taken into custody Tuesday afternoon after a shooting in Fort Lee, witnesses said. Members of a DEA task force out of Newark were conducting an operation when gunfire erupted on Whiteman Street off Lemoine Avenue near the Whiteman Park Plaza around 1:30 p.m., knowledgeable law enforcement sources told Daily Voice. At least 20 rounds had been fired, some of which struck a Toyota sedan that slammed head-on into a utility pole. Two DEA agents were believed to have discharged their weapons. The wounded suspect is tended to on Whiteman Str…
UPDATE: Suspect Wounded During DEA Operation In North Jersey UPDATE: Suspect Wounded During DEA Operation In North Jersey
Update: Suspect Wounded During DEA Operation In North Jersey One suspect was hospitalized and three others were taken into custody Tuesday afternoon after a shooting in Fort Lee, witnesses said. Members of a DEA task force out of Newark were conducting an operation when gunfire erupted on Whiteman Street off Lemoine Avenue near the Whiteman Park Plaza around 1:30 p.m., knowledgeable law enforcement sources told Daily Voice. At least 20 rounds had been fired, some of which struck a Toyota sedan that slammed head-on into a utility pole. Two DEA agents were believed to have discharged their weapons. The wounded suspect is tended to on Whiteman Str…
Southern Fugitives Charged With Posing As Feds In Violent Bergen Home Invasion Brought To NJ Southern Fugitives Charged With Posing As Feds In Violent Bergen Home Invasion Brought To NJ
Southern Fugitives Charged With Posing As Feds In Violent Bergen Home Invasion Brought To NJ UPDATE: Three Georgia men charged earlier this month with shooting a Bergen County resident while posing as FBI agents during a summer home invasion have been brought to New Jersey to face charges. Two others remained held down South pending the outcome of extradition proceedings. Aaron Thomas Perry, 53, of Dunwoody, Ali Sadeeq Muhammad, 33, of Atlanta, and Roderick Moracle Carmichael, 50, of Stockbridge will remain held in the Bergen County Jail in Hackensack while the case against them and two other co-defendants proceeds. They were brought up separately over the past several days -- Car…