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PA Man Threatened To Shoot Donald Trump Ahead Of Rally: Affidavit PA Man Threatened To Shoot Donald Trump Ahead Of Rally: Affidavit
PA Man Threatened To Shoot Donald Trump Ahead Of Rally: Affidavit A man has been held without bail after threatening to shoot former president Donald Trump, according to court documents obtained by Daily Voice on Tuesday, Oct. 29. Paul J. Gavenonis, 74, of State College, was purchasing a commuter lot parking pass on Friday night, Oct. 25 so he could attend the Trump campaign rally at Bryce Jordan Center when the threats were made, police detailed in court documents. He is accused of making comments about climbing up a tall building, then gestured a gun-racking/loading motion and finally said: “I hate Donald Trump. I’d like to shoot that guy.” After witne…
Man Asked To Stop Smoking Threatens To 'Shoot Up The Hospital,' Police In NJ Say Man Asked To Stop Smoking Threatens To 'Shoot Up The Hospital,' Police In NJ Say
Man Asked To Stop Smoking Threatens To 'Shoot Up The Hospital,' Police In NJ Say A 47-year-old Brooklyn, NY man is facing charges out of Hudson County for an incident that unfolded when he was asked to stop smoking at a hospital, police said. Josh Garner was approached by a security guard at Hudson Regional Hospital at 55 Meadowlands Parkway in Secaucus around 9:20 a.m. Wednesday, Oct. 16. "Mr. Garner was smoking a cigarette, which is not permitted on the hospital grounds," Secaucus Police Chief Dennis Miller said. "When security asked him to move he told security he would shoot them and further stated he would shoot up the hospital." Garner was not found in possession…
NJ Ex-Con's Stash Of Assault Rifles, High-Capacity Ammo Seized, Police Say NJ Ex-Con's Stash Of Assault Rifles, High-Capacity Ammo Seized, Police Say
NJ Ex-Con's Stash Of Assault Rifles, High-Capacity Ammo Seized, Police Say A 50-year-old New Jersey ex-convict is facing multiple charges after police responding to a call for service found assault rifles, high-capacity magazines, and more stashed in safes in the home, authorities said. Bloomingdale officers had responded to a local home on Sept. 19, when they discovered two safes, " which officers reasonably believed contained illegal firearms," the department said in a news release. In the following days, the Detective Bureau conducted a follow-up investigation and executed two search warrants on the safes, owned by Omar Dudley, police said. They uncovered seve…
Sex Workers Robbed, Sexually Assaulted By Trio At Gunpoint In Jersey City: Prosecutor Sex Workers Robbed, Sexually Assaulted By Trio At Gunpoint In Jersey City: Prosecutor
Sex Workers Robbed, Sexually Assaulted By Trio At Gunpoint In Jersey City: Prosecutor Three men were arrested and charged on Friday, Sept. 20 with robbing and sexually assaulting two sex workers in Jersey City on Wednesday, Sept. 11, authorities said. The two women agreed to meet three men, Mohamed Mohamed, 24, Abdalla Abdelsalam Elsayed, 20, and Mahmoud Hegazi, 18, all Jersey City residents, at an apartment on Bergen Avenue in exchange for sex for money, according to a criminal complaint. After having sex with the men, one of the men pulled out a handgun, held it to one of the women and demanded money. The gun was held as she spoke on a phone call, forcing her to …
Corrections Officer Arrested In Viral Video Capturing Atlantic City Casino Assault Corrections Officer Arrested In Viral Video Capturing Atlantic City Casino Assault
Corrections Officer Arrested In Viral Video Capturing Atlantic City Casino Assault A Monmouth County corrections officer was arrested after a fight caught on video at an Atlantic City casino's shopping mall, authorities said. Keila Diaz, 47, of Freehold, has been suspended without pay, a spokesperson for the Monmouth County Sheriff's Office confirmed to Daily Voice on Wednesday, Sept. 18. She and 35-year-old Damian Pineyro of Hazlet were arrested in the brawl on Sunday, Sept. 15. Monmouth County Sheriff Shaun Golden said Diaz, who graduated from the county's police academy in 2014, is "expected to be held fully accountable for her actions." "This type of behavi…
Man Holds Ex-Employer Hostage, Threatens To Have His Pit Bull Attack In Bergen County: Cops Man Holds Ex-Employer Hostage, Threatens To Have His Pit Bull Attack In Bergen County: Cops
Man Holds Ex-Employer Hostage, Threatens To Have His Pit Bull Attack In Bergen County: Cops A Rockland County man is being held in the Bergen County jail after police said he held his former employer and coworkers hostage, demanding money and threatening them with his dog. Police were called to a business suite on Broad Street in Norwood around 1:50 p.m. Friday, Sept. 6, where Wayne Gordon, of New City, NY had come in with his pit bull, removed the dog's muzzle, and threatened to have the dog attack them if they didn't pay him $7,000 that he claimed he was owed, Norwood Police Chief Christopher Federici said. Gordon also threatened to kill the people in the room and to send people…
Teen Wanted In Fatal NJ Transit Station Shooting Caught In Poconos: US Marshals Teen Wanted In Fatal NJ Transit Station Shooting Caught In Poconos: US Marshals
Teen Wanted In Fatal NJ Transit Station Shooting Caught In Poconos: US Marshals A New Jersey fugitive wanted in a deadly train station shooting and a home invasion was arrested in northeastern Pennsylvania, authorities said. U.S. Marshals took 19-year-old Damian Bass into custody, Monmouth County Prosecutor Raymond Santiago said in a news release on Friday, Sept. 6. Bass' last known address was in Fanwood. Bass was charged with first-degree murder and two weapons offenses. He was accused of shooting and killing 43-year-old James Hailey of Newark. Marshals from Brooklyn, NY, and Scranton captured Bass in Chestnuthill Township, PA, on Thursday, Sept. 5. "We s…
FL Man, 75, Pulls Knife On Customer Over Spilled Wine At Fancy NJ Steakhouse: Police (VIDEO) FL Man, 75, Pulls Knife On Customer Over Spilled Wine At Fancy NJ Steakhouse: Police (VIDEO)
FL Man, 75, Pulls Knife On Customer Over Spilled Wine At Fancy NJ Steakhouse: Police (Video) A Florida man was accused of pulling a knife on a customer at an upscale Rumson restaurant during an argument over spilled wine, authorities said. David Gulley, 75, of Palm Beach Shores, was arrested on Thursday, Aug. 22, the Rumson Police Department said in a news release. The fight happened at Red Horse by David Burke, a restaurant on the corner of Ridge Road and Avenue of Two Rivers. Police responded to the restaurant at around 8:30 p.m. Officers saw Gulley punch the steakhouse's manager in the side and he was taken into custody. Investigators said witnesses and cell…
'Sleep With One Eye Open:' Paterson Officer's Charges Detailed In Affidavit 'Sleep With One Eye Open:' Paterson Officer's Charges Detailed In Affidavit
'Sleep With One Eye Open:' Paterson Officer's Charges Detailed In Affidavit More information has come to light in the arrest of a 38-year-old Paterson police officer. Alberto Sanabria was indicted by a grand jury on one count of third-degree terroristic threats, one count of fourth-degree cyber harassment, and one count of fourth-degree stalking, Passaic County Prosecutor Camelia M. Valdes announced on Monday, Aug. 12. The affidavit for probable cause obtained by Daily Voice says Sanabria sent the following message to his ex-girlfriend: “Hello remember me you got me fired from [redacted]. Just want to let you know I hope you sleep with one eye open from now o…
Paterson Officer Released Pending Trial On Stalking, Cyber Harassment Charges: Prosecutor Paterson Officer Released Pending Trial On Stalking, Cyber Harassment Charges: Prosecutor
Paterson Officer Released Pending Trial On Stalking, Cyber Harassment Charges: Prosecutor A 38-year-old Paterson police officer has been indicted by a grand jury on domestic violence charges, authorities said. Alberto Sanabria was indicted on on one count of third-degree terroristic threats, one count of fourth-degree cyber harassment, and one count of fourth degree stalking, Passaic County Prosecutor Camelia M. Valdes said. Police did not release details in Sanabria's arrest. Sanabria was released on a summons and is expected to appear before Superior Court Judge Barbara Buono Stanton on Aug. 19.
Disturbing New Details Released In Arrest Of Palisades Park Police Officer Disturbing New Details Released In Arrest Of Palisades Park Police Officer
Disturbing New Details Released In Arrest Of Palisades Park Police Officer Disturbing new details have come to light in the arrest of 42-year-old David Chun, a Palisades Park police officer. Chun, 42, of South Hackensack, was arrested Monday, July 22 on a slew of charges stemming from multiple assaults on a woman in Hasbrouck Heights between 2019 and 2023, Bergen County Prosecutor Mark Musella said. The criminal complaint obtained by Daily Voice says that Chun choked the woman on Nov. 25, 2021; tried punching the woman in December 2022, and then again while she was holding a child; tried pushing and picking up a couch while the victim was laying on it; a…
Wanted Paterson Woman, 21, Sends Two Arresting Clifton Officers To Hospital, Police say Wanted Paterson Woman, 21, Sends Two Arresting Clifton Officers To Hospital, Police say
Wanted Paterson Woman, 21, Sends Two Arresting Clifton Officers To Hospital, Police say A 21-year-old Paterson woman was arrested and hit with multiple charges after she assaulted three arresting officers in Clifton, and bit one, on Monday, July 8, authorities said. At 11 p.m., police saw a suspicious vehicle and a passenger, Fadwa Alchamas, who was also the owner of the vehicle, parked on Circle Avenue, Clifton Police Lt. Robert Anderson said. Alchamas gave officers a fake name, but they confirmed her true identity — and that she was wanted out of Somerset County, Anderson said. Alchamas was arrested and taken to police headquarters for processing, where Anderson said Alcham…
Belligerent Man At Popular Wayne Brewery Tried Fighting Arresting Officers, Cops Say Belligerent Man At Popular Wayne Brewery Tried Fighting Arresting Officers, Cops Say
Belligerent Man At Popular Wayne Brewery Tried Fighting Arresting Officers, Cops Say A 50-year-old man who had been wanted for a DNA sample was arrested after police said he was screaming profanities and making profane gestures at a popular brewery in Wayne earlier this month. Unruly behavior exhibited by Anthony Walker, 50, of West Milford, brought Wayne police officers to Seven Tribesmen Brewery just before 8 p.m. Monday, July 1, Wayne Police Capt. Dan Daly said. Upon the officers’ arrival, they found Walker arguing with the bartender. Officers tried to calm Walker down and said they'd help find him a ride home, however, Walker's aggressive behavior only continued, Daly …
Authorities Seize Man Who Woman Said Sexually Assaulted Her After Pickup Near Journal Square Authorities Seize Man Who Woman Said Sexually Assaulted Her After Pickup Near Journal Square
Authorities Seize Man Who Woman Said Sexually Assaulted Her After Pickup Near Journal Square UPDATE: A stranger who a 22-year-old woman said sexually assaulted her after she got into his car near Jersey City's Journal Square early this month was identified and then arrested on Monday, authorities announced. The woman told police she voluntarily got into a white vehicle after the stranger approached her around 7 a.m. Sunday, June 2, Daily Voice originally reported on June 6. The driver then headed to the area of Eighth and dead-ended Division Street by the Roberto Clemente Sports Complex in the shadow of the New Jersey Turnpike overpass, she said. It was there, the woman told polic…
Man Lured, Sexually Assaulted 22-Year-Old In Car In Jersey City, Prosecutor Says Man Lured, Sexually Assaulted 22-Year-Old In Car In Jersey City, Prosecutor Says
Man Lured, Sexually Assaulted 22-Year-Old In Car In Jersey City, Prosecutor Says A 30-year-old man has been arrested after authorities say he lured a 22-year-old into his car and then sexually assaulted her. Marc Toledo, of Jersey City, approached the victim in a white vehicle in Journal Square early Sunday, June 2, Hudson County Prosecutor Esther Suarez said. He drove the victim a short distance to Division Street and Eighth Street at approximately 7 a.m. The victim reported she was sexually assaulted in the vehicle, Suarez said. On Monday, June 17, members of the Hudson County Prosecutor’s Office Special Victims Unit arrested Toledo, who was charged with aggrava…
GOTCHA! Gunman Who Terrorized Robbery Victims In Bergen, Passaic Captured In VA: Prosecutor GOTCHA! Gunman Who Terrorized Robbery Victims In Bergen, Passaic Captured In VA: Prosecutor
Gotcha! Gunman Who Terrorized Robbery Victims In Bergen, Passaic Captured In VA: Prosecutor 𝗨𝗣𝗗𝗔𝗧𝗘: A 24-year-old fugitive from Elmwood Park who was wanted for a terrifying armed robbery spree in Bergen and Passaic counties was captured in Virginia, authorities announced Wednesday. Husem Nasri pistol-whipped an attendant at a Valero station on northbound Route 17 near Route 46 in Hasbrouck Heights shortly before 3 p.m. Feb. 5, Bergen County Prosecutor Mark Musella said. Less 20 minutes later Nasri pointed a gun at an attendant who locked himself in the Delta station at Van Houten and Broad avenues in Clifton – also near Route 46, the prosecutor said. Nasri fled empty-handed both …
Wild Street Brawl Sends Repeat Offender, Officers To Hospital: Hasbrouck Heights PD Wild Street Brawl Sends Repeat Offender, Officers To Hospital: Hasbrouck Heights PD
Wild Street Brawl Sends Repeat Offender, Officers To Hospital: Hasbrouck Heights PD A repeat offender from Toms River who was high on PCP fought violently with police who kept him from running into traffic outside a 7-Eleven in North Jersey, authorities said. The incident was another in a recent series of episodes involving Albert P. Fischetta III, 40, of Toms River, whose violent reaction sent two officers – and himself – to the hospital, they said. Fischetta had been freed after police at the Jersey Shore said he attacked an elderly man while not wearing any clothes last fall, records show. This time, his girlfriend told Hasbrouck Heights that Fischetta suddenly bailed …
Oakland Man, 55, Charged With Threatening To Shoot Police, Prosecutor Announces Oakland Man, 55, Charged With Threatening To Shoot Police, Prosecutor Announces
Oakland Man, 55, Charged With Threatening To Shoot Police, Prosecutor Announces A 55-year-old Oakland man was charged with threatening to shoot police, Bergen County Prosecutor Mark Musella announced on Friday, May 24. Todd Gentile was responsible for “an emerging pattern of social media posts threatening to shoot law enforcement officers,” the prosecutor said. Gentile had been in the Bergen County Jail following a similar arrest for making terroristic threats earlier this month, records show. He remained held Friday pending a first appearance in Central Judicial Processing Court in Hackensack.   
Hackensack Man Throws Bleach In Mechanic's Face, Smashes Windshield: Rochelle Park PD Hackensack Man Throws Bleach In Mechanic's Face, Smashes Windshield: Rochelle Park PD
Hackensack Man Throws Bleach In Mechanic's Face, Smashes Windshield: Rochelle Park PD Surveillance cameras recorded a Hackensack man throwing bleach in the face of a mechanic at a Rochelle Park service station, then smashing his windshield, authorities said. Alonge Jones, 33, went to the station at the corner of Rochelle and Central avenues after his girlfriend purportedly had some type of “negative interaction” with the mechanic a day earlier, Rochelle Park Police Capt. James M. DePreta said. Jones then assaulted the victim and smashed the windshield with a tool when he showed up, the captain said. The worker as taken to a local hospital with an eye injury. Meanwhile, Det…
Driver Who Waved Handgun In Haledon Road Rage Is From Town: Police Driver Who Waved Handgun In Haledon Road Rage Is From Town: Police
Driver Who Waved Handgun In Haledon Road Rage Is From Town: Police A driver who threatened another motorist with a gun in Haledon turned out to be a local resident, authorities said. Jonathon Sisco, 24, was identified by borough detectives following "the brandishing of a firearm and threats towards a male victim" at the intersection of Mangold Street and Belmont Avenue (photo) this past Monday, Police Chief Angelo J. Daniele said on Thursday, April 25.The were assisted by the responding officers, Sgt. George Kelly and Officer Rubel Jimenez, the chief said.Sisco was arrested on Wednesday on charges of aggravated assault, making terroristic threats and i…
Dumont Man Seized After SWAT Standoff Following Series Of Threatening Messages, Chief Says Dumont Man Seized After SWAT Standoff Following Series Of Threatening Messages, Chief Says
Dumont Man Seized After SWAT Standoff Following Series Of Threatening Messages, Chief Says A Dumont man was seized following a brief SWAT standoff after he threatened borough police, authorities said. Michael D. Tolan, 49, was upset by two motor vehicle summonses he received on Saturday, April 13, Dumont Police Chief Brian Joyce said. He then contacted Dumont Municipal Court and left nine voicemails “voicemails threatening to do harm to former and current members of the Dumont Police Department,” the chief said. A Bergen County Regional SWAT team and Cresskill police joined their Dumont colleagues at Tolan’s Magnolia Avenue home on Saturday. “After a brief standoff, Mr. Tolan …
Broom Beatings Among Horrific Abuse By Atlantic City Mayor, Wife Against Teen Daughter: Police Broom Beatings Among Horrific Abuse By Atlantic City Mayor, Wife Against Teen Daughter: Police
Broom Beatings Among Horrific Abuse By Atlantic City Mayor, Wife Against Teen Daughter: Police The mayor of Atlantic City and his wife, the superintendent of the city's public school district, have been accused of physically and emotionally abusing their teen daughter, including an incident that left her unconscious, authorities said. Mayor Marty Small Sr., 50, and Dr. La'Quetta Small, 47, were slapped with several charges via summonses on Monday, Apr. 15, the Atlantic County Prosecutor's Office said in a news release. The couple was charged with second-degree endangering the welfare of a child. Mayor Small was also charged with third-degree terroristic threats, third-degre…
Dad Arrested Trying To Defend Daughter In NJ Classroom Confrontation: Police Dad Arrested Trying To Defend Daughter In NJ Classroom Confrontation: Police
Dad Arrested Trying To Defend Daughter In NJ Classroom Confrontation: Police A South Jersey dad has been charged with making "terroristic threats" and threatening to "knock out" her daughter's peer in an apparent attempt to defend her in a high school classroom in Gloucester County, police paperwork says. Aaron Thomas went into a Paulsboro High School classroom Monday, March 11 while signing his daughter out around 11:30 a.m., an affidavit of probable cause obtained by Daily Voice says. Thomas, 38, was reportedly upset over photos being air-dropped, and was shouting and threatening to "knock the f— out" a student, paperwork says. At one point, Thomas got …
Man Held Sexually Abused Woman Captive At Gunpoint In Hackensack Home: Police Man Held Sexually Abused Woman Captive At Gunpoint In Hackensack Home: Police
Man Held Sexually Abused Woman Captive At Gunpoint In Hackensack Home: Police A car salesman was arrested by Hackensack police after he held a woman he’d sexually abused captive at gunpoint, authorities said. Christopher Baboolal, 29, was seized without incident at the Poplar Avenue home where the victim had been held against her will, said Hackensack Police Capt. Michael Antista, the officer in charge of the department. They recovered a gun – for which Baboolal didn’t have a permit -- and a high-capacity magazine, which is also illegal in New Jersey, the captain said. Colleagues from neighboring Ridgefield Park brought the woman to city police headquarters, Antista…
Ex-Con Accusing Of Pinning Hackensack Woman Down By Her Hair, Plunging Knife Next To Her Head Ex-Con Accusing Of Pinning Hackensack Woman Down By Her Hair, Plunging Knife Next To Her Head
Ex-Con Accusing Of Pinning Hackensack Woman Down By Her Hair, Plunging Knife Next To Her Head A transient ex-con was charged with domestic violence after authorities said he pinned a Hackensack woman to the floor by her hair and threatened her with a knife before dawn Monday. Robert Raghoenathsingh, 40, formerly of Lodi but more recently of Passaic, plunged the knife into the floor next to the victim's head in her Prospect Avenue apartment around 2 a.m. Feb. 5, the woman told police. He then stood on her hair so she couldn't get up, her report says. Raghoenathsingh -- who jail records show is a divorced Yemeni national -- made headlines in 2019 when he brought what proved to be bas…
Camden School Board Member Who Threatened Woman With Gun Resigns: Complaint Camden School Board Member Who Threatened Woman With Gun Resigns: Complaint
Camden School Board Member Who Threatened Woman With Gun Resigns: Complaint A former Camden County police detective resigned from the city's school board after he was accused of threatening a woman with an unregistered gun, according to the criminal complaint. Clayton Gonzalez, 34, was arrested on Nov. 28, 2023, after he threatened the woman and her family on Nov. 20 saying he'd ruin their lives and her boyfriend's life, said the affidavit of probable cause obtained by Daily Voice. The first incident happened over a separation of finances when Gonzalez took the firearm out of a cabinet and began waving it around, according to the complaint. He then pointed the…
Repeat Offender Threatens To Bomb Child Welfare Buildings, Judges, Bergen Prosecutor Charges Repeat Offender Threatens To Bomb Child Welfare Buildings, Judges, Bergen Prosecutor Charges
Repeat Offender Threatens To Bomb Child Welfare Buildings, Judges, Bergen Prosecutor Charges A man who'd been previously accused of threatening Fair Lawn police and families on social media is back in custody after authorities said he took it to another level. Brandon M. Hernandez, 29, is now charged with threatening to "bomb and shoot" New Jersey Child Protection and Permanency buildings and Superior Court judges in Hackensack.  Bergen County Prosecutor Mark Musella announced in a news release that Cyber Crimes Unit detectives from his office began investigating a "pattern of social media posts" by Hernandez last November. He specifically cited NJCP&P buil…
HARDCORE AT 21: Paterson Ex-Con Charged In Separate Shootings After Prison Release HARDCORE AT 21: Paterson Ex-Con Charged In Separate Shootings After Prison Release
Hardcore AT 21: Paterson Ex-Con Charged In Separate Shootings After Prison Release A 21-year-old ex-con from Paterson who’s already spent three years behind bars had been free all of four months when he shot someone, then shot someone else while police searched for him this week, authorities charged. A SWAT team led a raid that ended a brief standoff at an Essex Street apartment in Paterson with Memphis Morales on Friday, Jan. 12, they said. Morales was previously convicted of a 2020 shooting and was incarcerated for three years before being released from New Jersey State Prison last May. Three months later, Morales shot a 34-year-old Secaucus man during a Sept. 17 robbe…
Armed Mortuary Worker, 71, Ditches Gun In Hackensack Church After Threatening Man On Street: PD Armed Mortuary Worker, 71, Ditches Gun In Hackensack Church After Threatening Man On Street: PD
Armed Mortuary Worker, 71, Ditches Gun In Hackensack Church After Threatening Man On Street: PD A 71-year-old mortuary worker from Saddle Brook pulled a loaded gun on a man during a dispute on a Hackensack street, then ducked into a nearby church to try and ditch the weapon, authorities said. Kerris Meadows and a 43-year-old Newark resident got into the unspecified argument outside Mount Olive Baptist Church around 10:30 a.m. last Saturday, Dec. 16, Hackensack Police Capt. Michael Antista said. The Central Avenue church was conducting a food drive at the time. The second man told officers who responded to a call of a man with a gun that Meadows pointed a revolver and threatened to sh…
Familiar Foe Nabbed With Knife Following Failed McDonald's Bathroom Robbery Bid: Hackensack PD Familiar Foe Nabbed With Knife Following Failed McDonald's Bathroom Robbery Bid: Hackensack PD
Familiar Foe Nabbed With Knife Following Failed McDonald's Bathroom Robbery Bid: Hackensack PD An ex-con with the proverbial arm's-length rap sheet unsuccessfully tried to rob a man at knifepoint in the bathroom of a Hackensack McDonald's, authorities said. Shajee Jackson, 30, wasn’t difficult to identify following the aborted holdup at the Essex Street eatery at 12:30 p.m. Monday, Nov. 13. Calling him "known to police" would be an understatement. The 28-year-old victim told police Jackson followed him into the bathroom, then pulled a large knife, demanded money and threatened to stab him, the victim told police. The victim refused and his assailant fled empty-handed, said Capt…
Elmwood Park Fugitive Wanted For Death Threats Captured By Glen Rock PD Elmwood Park Fugitive Wanted For Death Threats Captured By Glen Rock PD
Elmwood Park Fugitive Wanted For Death Threats Captured By Glen Rock PD A 19-year-old fugitive from Elmwood Park who was wanted for making death threats was arrested by a Glen Rock police officer after eluding capture for more than three months, authorities said. Vijor Lowery “had made threats toward an individual who is employed at a business in the Central Business District as part of ongoing hostilities,” Glen Rock Police Chief Dean Ackermann said. A warrant for Lowery’s arrest was issued on June 14, the chief said. Glen Rock Officer Andrew Magro arrested Lowery last Wednesday, Sept. 27, assisted by Sgt. Bryan Scott and Officer Nick Onove, he said. He was …