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'Ultimate Baller:' Jersey Shore Man, 39, Killed In Pre-Thanksgiving Crash 'Ultimate Baller:' Jersey Shore Man, 39, Killed In Pre-Thanksgiving Crash
'Ultimate Baller:' Jersey Shore Man, 39, Killed In Pre-Thanksgiving Crash A Forked River man was killed when his pickup hit a utility pole and rolled over in an overnight crash, authorities said. Christopher Winkle, 39, died in the crash on Wednesday, Nov. 27, the Lacey Township Police Department said in a news release. Police responded to the 2800 block of Dover Road at around 12:19 a.m.  Officers arrived to find a severely damaged 2016 Nissan Frontier overturned in the woods. Winkle was ejected from the truck during the crash. Paramedics tried to save Winkle's life but he was pronounced deceased at the scene. Investigators said Winkle was drivi…
'Sweet And Loving' NJ College Student Killed In Crash On Snowy Western PA Road: Fundraiser 'Sweet And Loving' NJ College Student Killed In Crash On Snowy Western PA Road: Fundraiser
'Sweet And Loving' NJ College Student Killed In Crash On Snowy Western PA Road: Fundraiser A teen from Ewing died while traveling home from college in western Pennsylvania in snowy conditions just before Thanksgiving, according to a fundraising campaign. A GoFundMe page said 19-year-old Zy’yonnah Dully died in the crash on Friday, Nov. 22. She was a second-year nursing student at the University of Pittsburgh at Bradford. Dully was driving home to New Jersey for Thanksgiving break when the crash "robbed her of a future that was so bright." "Zy’yonnah was a sweet and loving girl [who] brought positive energy to anyone around her," wrote Latisha Spearman, the fundraiser's…
Man Who Sped Through Red Light In Deadly Ocean City Crash Sentenced, Prosecutors Say Man Who Sped Through Red Light In Deadly Ocean City Crash Sentenced, Prosecutors Say
Man Who Sped Through Red Light In Deadly Ocean City Crash Sentenced, Prosecutors Say A Galloway Township man will spend several years in prison for a high-speed crash that killed an Ocean City man more than three years ago, authorities said. Ruddy Narvaez Jr., 36, was sentenced to three years in state prison, Cape May County Prosecutor Jeffrey Sutherland said in a news release on Thursday, Nov. 21.  Narvaez was convicted in the crash that killed 66-year-old John Andrew on Tuesday, June 22, 2021. Ocean City police and paramedics responded to the intersection of Ninth Street and Bay Avenue at around 6:10 p.m. Investigators said Narvaez was speed…
Driver Dies, Two Injured In Fiery Garden State Parkway Crash In Tinton Falls: Troopers Driver Dies, Two Injured In Fiery Garden State Parkway Crash In Tinton Falls: Troopers
Driver Dies, Two Injured In Fiery Garden State Parkway Crash In Tinton Falls: Troopers A driver was killed and two others were hospitalized in a crash on the Garden State Parkway in Tinton Falls, authorities said. Troopers responded to the southbound side of the parkway at around 4:20 a.m. on Saturday, Oct. 26, a state police spokesperson said. Investigators said a Honda Accord and Honda Civic crashed head-on near milepost 102.8. A Volkswagen Jetta hit the back of the Civic, causing the Honda to catch fire. The Honda Civic driver was pronounced dead at the scene. The driver wasn't identified as of press time. A 23-year-old Brick Township man who drove the Honda Accord suffe…
Driver Flees From Crash That Killed Passenger On Route 9: Prosecutor Driver Flees From Crash That Killed Passenger On Route 9: Prosecutor
Driver Flees From Crash That Killed Passenger On Route 9: Prosecutor A 47-year-old North Plainfield man was killed in a single-vehicle crash in Woodbridge on Saturday, Oct. 25 in which the driver had fled from, authorities said. Mario Ortiz Bonilla was found dead in the front passenger's seat of the 2017 Kia Sportage on Route 9 and Green Street in Woodbridge just after 9:05 a.m., Middlesex County Prosecutor Yolanda Ciccone and Woodbridge PD Director Robert Hubner said. The driver had fled the scene, Ciccone and Hubner said. Authorities did not provide further details. The investigation is active and continuing. Anyone with information is asked to call …
Viral Dashcam Footage Shows Vehicle Reversing On NY Highway In Apparent Insurance Fraud Attempt Viral Dashcam Footage Shows Vehicle Reversing On NY Highway In Apparent Insurance Fraud Attempt
Viral Dashcam Footage Shows Vehicle Reversing On NY Highway In Apparent Insurance Fraud Attempt Authorities are investigating a case of attempted insurance fraud after the victim’s shocking dashcam video of the incident went viral online. “Everything happened so fast,” Ashpia Natasha, recounted in a video on TikTok that had more than 68M views as of press time. She said she was alone driving eastbound on the Belt Parkway in Queens, toward the Southern State Parkway, on Wednesday, Oct. 16, when another driver cut her off and slammed on his brakes. At first, her dashcam video shows what appears to be just a close call; she hits her brakes and avoids crashing into the other ve…
Video Shows Intoxicated Flying Jeep Driver's Arrest After Landing On Monmouth County Deck Video Shows Intoxicated Flying Jeep Driver's Arrest After Landing On Monmouth County Deck
Video Shows Intoxicated Flying Jeep Driver's Arrest After Landing On Monmouth County Deck Newly released bodycam footage shows the arrest of a 39-year-old man who police say was intoxicated when he blew a stop sign and sent a Jeep Wrangler airborne and onto the back deck of a New Jersey homeowner. Video shared to YouTube by Transparency Bodycam this week shows the massive police and fire response in Holmdel on Aug. 31, caused by Anthony Hernandez, of North Plainfield. “I just feel below myself,” Hernandez told officers from the hospital (around the 2-hour mark in the video). "I'm just happy you’re okay," the officer responded, saying things could've been a lot worse given the n…
Man Seriously Injured After Crash On Route 287: NJSP Man Seriously Injured After Crash On Route 287: NJSP
Man Seriously Injured After Crash On Route 287: Njsp A man suffered serious injuries following a collision on Route 287 in Somerset County on the afternoon of Friday, Oct. 18. At 5:18 p.m., a Ford pickup truck was traveling northbound on Route 287 in Bridgewater Township when it veered off the roadway to the right, struck the guardrail and then crossed into another lane, and hit another guardrail, Jeffrey Lebron, a spokesman for the New Jersey State Police said. The driver, a 66-year-old Lake Hopatcong resident sustained serious injuries, Lebron said. The crash remains under investigation, Lebron said.
BREAKING: Arrest Made In Crash That Killed 'Electric' Mom In Monmouth County BREAKING: Arrest Made In Crash That Killed 'Electric' Mom In Monmouth County
Breaking: Arrest Made In Crash That Killed 'Electric' Mom In Monmouth County A 64-year-old woman has been charged in the crash that killed a 58-year-old New Jersey woman in September. Sonia Gomez, of Matawan, was behind the wheel of a 2015 Honda Pilot when she struck Judith Fox-Hernandez, of Aberdeen at the intersection of Atlantic Avenue and 2nd Street in Aberdeen on Wednesday, Sept. 4, Monmouth County Prosecutor Raymond S. Santiago said. Fox-Hernandez was taken to Jersey Shore University Medical Center where she died on Sunday, Sept. 29. Gomez did not stop at the time of the crash at the scene, nor did she report the collision to law enforcement, Santia…
Woman Killed, Three Injured When SUV Runs Red Light In Central Jersey: Prosecutors Woman Killed, Three Injured When SUV Runs Red Light In Central Jersey: Prosecutors
Woman Killed, Three Injured When SUV Runs Red Light In Central Jersey: Prosecutors A Kendall Park woman was killed when she was in a car that was hit by an SUV that ran a traffic light in South Brunswick, authorities said. Ranjinidevi Ramakrishnan, 43, died in the crash, Middlesex County Prosecutor Yolanda Ciccone said in a news release on Thursday, Oct. 10. Police responded to the crash in the area of Route 522 and Georges Road at around 7:13 p.m. on Thursday, Oct. 3.  The driver and two passengers in a Hyundai Sonata were rushed to Robert Wood Johnson University Hospital with serious injuries. Ramakrishnan, a rear passenger, was pronou…
Two Hospitalized After SUV Crashes, Rolls Over At Jersey Shore Intersection: Police Two Hospitalized After SUV Crashes, Rolls Over At Jersey Shore Intersection: Police
Two Hospitalized After SUV Crashes, Rolls Over At Jersey Shore Intersection: Police Two people were hospitalized after their SUV crashed and rolled over in Longport, authorities said. Officers responded to the crash near the intersection of North 31st and Winchester avenues at around 4:51 p.m. on Thursday, Oct. 3, the Longport Police Department said in a news release. Police found an SUV overturned in the intersection of Winchester and North Evergreen avenues. Investigators said a Mercedes-Benz was at a stop sign on North Evergreen Avenue and moved forward to see down Winchester Avenue. A BMW SUV heading east toward Margate struck the Mercedes before hi…
Car Strikes Utility Pole In Morganville, Knocking Out Power In Rollover Crash: Firefighters Car Strikes Utility Pole In Morganville, Knocking Out Power In Rollover Crash: Firefighters
Car Strikes Utility Pole In Morganville, Knocking Out Power In Rollover Crash: Firefighters Power was knocked out for some residents in a Marlboro Township neighborhood after a rollover crash during the morning commute, officials said. Firefighters responded to the wreck near the intersection of Tennent Road and Wooleytown Road at around 7:30 a.m. on Tuesday, Oct. 1, the Morganville Fire Department said in a Facebook post. When crews arrived, they found a car on its roof with airbags deployed. A utility pole was broken and wires were lying in the road. Everyone inside the car got out of it safely and there were no injuries reported. Jersey Central Power & Light…
Arrest Made In Hit-Run Crash That Left Pedestrian, 25, Critical In Toms River: Police Arrest Made In Hit-Run Crash That Left Pedestrian, 25, Critical In Toms River: Police
Arrest Made In Hit-Run Crash That Left Pedestrian, 25, Critical In Toms River: Police A 60-year-old Toms River man has been charged in connection with a crash that left a 25-year-old man critical earlier this week. Stacy Jordan was heading north on Massachusetts Avenue when it struck the Toms River pedestrian around 9:40 p.m. on Saturday, Sept. 21, and fled the scene, Ocean County Prosecutor Bradley D. Billhimer and Toms River Township Police Department Officer in Charge Peter Sundack said. The pedestrian was taken to Community Medical Center in Toms River, where he was listed in critical condition. Jordan was identified as a suspect and taken into custody on Friday, S…
Watch Officer Recognized By MADD Expertly Arrest Driver Suspected Of DUI In New Jersey Watch Officer Recognized By MADD Expertly Arrest Driver Suspected Of DUI In New Jersey
Watch Officer Recognized By MADD Expertly Arrest Driver Suspected Of DUI In New Jersey Footage of a New Jersey police officer once recognized by Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD) is going viral as she arrests a motorist suspected of driving under the influence. The 1-hour and 5-minute video shared by Transparency Bodycam shows Red Bank Officer Grace Maggiulli responding to a crash at Maple Avenue near the intersection with E Bergen Boulevard on June 3, 2024. At the scene, one driver explains to Maggiulli he'd been rear-ended while at a red light by a 2023 Chevrolet, which she'd later learn was being operated by New York resident Gustavo Gonzalez, 24, of Monr…
Woman Critically Injured Man, 75, In Jersey Shore Hit-And-Run Crash: Prosecutors Woman Critically Injured Man, 75, In Jersey Shore Hit-And-Run Crash: Prosecutors
Woman Critically Injured Man, 75, In Jersey Shore Hit-And-Run Crash: Prosecutors A Seaside Park woman was accused of critically injuring an elderly man in a hit-and-run crash in Seaside Heights, authorities said. Genell Mcinaw, 50, was charged with knowingly leaving the scene of a motor vehicle accident resulting in serious bodily injury to another person, Ocean County First Assistant Prosecutor Michael Nolan Jr. said in a news release on Tuesday, Sept. 24. Seaside Heights police responded to a report of a man lying in the road near the intersection of Dupont Avenue and the Boulevard at around 9:30 p.m. on Monday, Sept. 23. Officers found the 75…
Driver, 62, Killed Negotiating Curve On Garden State Parkway Exit Ramp: Police Driver, 62, Killed Negotiating Curve On Garden State Parkway Exit Ramp: Police
Driver, 62, Killed Negotiating Curve On Garden State Parkway Exit Ramp: Police A 62-year-old driver was killed in a crash on the Garden State Parkway in Atlantic County this weekend, authorities said. Troy E. Thompson, of Brick Township, was heading south in a Hyundai Tucson when he veered off the roadway to the left while negotiating a curve exiting via the 38A exit ramp Saturday morning, Sept. 21 around 9:30 a.m., New Jersey State Police Sgt. Jeffrey Lebron said. The vehicle overturned and Thompson died. The crash remains under investigation, and no additional information was available.
Tesla Driver Suffering Medical Emergency Cuts Across NJ Roadway Hitting Car, Building: Police Tesla Driver Suffering Medical Emergency Cuts Across NJ Roadway Hitting Car, Building: Police
Tesla Driver Suffering Medical Emergency Cuts Across NJ Roadway Hitting Car, Building: Police Two drivers were injured Saturday morning, Sept. 21, when one, who had been suffering a medical emergency, cut across a Monmouth County roadway and struck another vehicle and an Italian grocer, police said. According to a Facebook post from Holmdel police, the Tesla was heading east on Main Street when it crossed the center line and struck a Honda Accord heading west around 10:30 a.m. "The Tesla continued across the westbound lane and struck the building at 37 Main St.," police said.  Photos show the Tesla into Il Mercato. Earlier today at 10:30AM Holmdel PD responded to a motor …
College Student Raises $102K After Crash That Killed Bergen County Parents, Teen Sister College Student Raises $102K After Crash That Killed Bergen County Parents, Teen Sister
College Student Raises $102K After Crash That Killed Bergen County Parents, Teen Sister On Tuesday, Sept. 17, Max Dryerman said his final goodbyes to his parents and his younger sister. The college student from Woodcliff Lake lost his entire immediate family in a crash on the Garden State Parkway over the weekend. A joint funeral service was held for David and Michele Dryerman, both 54, and Brooke Dryerman, 17, Tuesday morning at Temple Emanuel of Pascack Valley. A burial service followed at Sharon Gardens on Lakeview Avenue, in Valhalla, NY. Max, whose LinkedIn shows he's studying engineering at Drexel University in Philadelphia, launched a GoFundMe page to help put himself t…
Man Killed While Leaving Car To Dump Booze After South Jersey Rollover Crash: Police Man Killed While Leaving Car To Dump Booze After South Jersey Rollover Crash: Police
Man Killed While Leaving Car To Dump Booze After South Jersey Rollover Crash: Police A Lakewood man was killed when he was struck after rolling over his car, authorities said. Yosimar Quirozcisneros, 23, died in the crash on Saturday, Sept. 14, a Lakewood Police Department spokesperson said. Officers responded to Route 70 West near Vermont Avenue at around 1:10 a.m. Investigators said Quirozcisneros rolled over his 2006 Mazda just after 1 a.m. His car was the only vehicle involved in the crash. A witness saw Quirozcisneros get out of his car and carry what turned out to be alcoholic beverages. He dumped the drinks on the side of the road. As Quiro…
Teen Shared Photos From Sea.Hear.Now Before Dying In Parkway Crash Alongside Parents Teen Shared Photos From Sea.Hear.Now Before Dying In Parkway Crash Alongside Parents
Teen Shared Photos From Sea.Hear.Now Before Dying In Parkway Crash Alongside Parents The deaths of a 17-year-old girl and her parents in a crash on the Garden State Parkway have left a Bergen County community reeling. UPDATE: Joint Services Set For Woodcliff Lake Family Killed In Garden State Parkway Crash David Dryerman, 54, Michele Dryerman, 54, and their daughter Brooke, of Woodcliff Lake were identified as the victims of the crash on the Garden State Parkway in Woodbridge just before midnight Saturday, Sept. 14. David and Michele also have a son, who survives them, loved ones said. Brooke was a senior at Pascack Hills High School, and shared photos to her Instagra…
Video Shows Arrest Of Monmouth County DUI Driver Who Rammed Luxury Car Into Utility Pole, Fled Video Shows Arrest Of Monmouth County DUI Driver Who Rammed Luxury Car Into Utility Pole, Fled
Video Shows Arrest Of Monmouth County DUI Driver Who Rammed Luxury Car Into Utility Pole, Fled Newly released bodycam footage shows a July 2024 arrest of a DUI driver with a history of traffic offenses who fled the scene of a crash in Monmouth County. Transparency Bodycam published footage of the crash on July 22, involving a white 2017 Mercedes GLE that had struck a pole on Mitchell Place near Oakes Road in Little Silver. The driver was identified by Little Silver police as 42-year-old Melissa Diller, of Middletown, according to records published by The Mounmouth Journal. The footage from Officer Andrew White's body-worn camera shows him finding the SUV at the scene with airbag dep…
Realtor Michael Kravchak Killed In South Jersey Crash Realtor Michael Kravchak Killed In South Jersey Crash
Realtor Michael Kravchak Killed In South Jersey Crash A prominent New Jersey realtor was killed in a crash Thursday, Sept. 5, authorities said. Michael Kravchak, 47, of Egg Harbor City, died in the wreck on Thursday, Sept. 5, the Mansfield Township Police Department said in a news release. Officers responded to the crash on Route 206 North near the intersection with Route 68 at around 11:03 a.m. Investigators said Kravchak's vehicle hit a traffic light pole. He was pronounced dead at the scene. View this post on Instagram A post shared by Michael Joseph Kravchak (@notyouraveragerealtorexp) …
Sidewalk Pedestrian Airlifted After Being Struck By Man With History Of Careless Driving In NJ Sidewalk Pedestrian Airlifted After Being Struck By Man With History Of Careless Driving In NJ
Sidewalk Pedestrian Airlifted After Being Struck By Man With History Of Careless Driving In NJ A woman was flown to the hospital after a careless driver drove onto the sidewalk and struck her while she was walking her dog in an Ocean County town on Friday, Sept. 6, police said. Eugenio Carta of Berkeley Township was operating a 1999 Buick Sedan when he drove off the roadway, struck the victim walking her dog on the sidewalk, then came to rest after hitting a tree around 3 p.m. at the intersection on Doral Drive at Cohansey Drive, local police said. The woman suffered a head injury from the crash and was airlifted to Jersey Shore Medical Center where she was in critical but stable con…
SUV Driver Killed, Passenger Injured In Jersey Shore Crash With Dump Truck: Police SUV Driver Killed, Passenger Injured In Jersey Shore Crash With Dump Truck: Police
SUV Driver Killed, Passenger Injured In Jersey Shore Crash With Dump Truck: Police One person was killed and another was injured when an SUV and a dump truck crashed in Jackson Township, authorities said. The SUV driver died in the crash on Cassville Road (County Route 571) on Wednesday, Sept. 4, police Chief Matthew Kunz confirmed to Daily Voice. Officers responded to the wreck at around 12:05 p.m. An SUV passenger was seriously injured in the crash that also involved a commercial dump truck. The passenger was airlifted to Jersey Shore University Medical Center in Neptune for treatment.  The crash closed Cassville Road between Leesville and Freehold roads, police said. …
Man Had 5-6 Beers, Drank While Driving In NJ Crash That Killed NHL Star, Brother: Affidavit Man Had 5-6 Beers, Drank While Driving In NJ Crash That Killed NHL Star, Brother: Affidavit
Man Had 5-6 Beers, Drank While Driving In NJ Crash That Killed NHL Star, Brother: Affidavit A Woodstown man reportedly admitted to having about a half-dozen beers before the crash that killed Johnny and Matthew Gaudreau, arrest records said. Sean Higgins, 43, was facing several charges including two counts of assault by auto, according to court records. He was accused of striking the NHL star and his brother while they were riding bicycles in Oldmans Township on Thursday, Aug. 29. Investigators said the Gaudreaus were on bikes close to the fog line on the north side of County Route 551. Higgins tried to pass a car and SUV while also traveling north in a black Jeep G…
Woman, 81, Killed As Passenger In Freehold Township Crash Woman, 81, Killed As Passenger In Freehold Township Crash
Woman, 81, Killed As Passenger In Freehold Township Crash A Monroe Township woman was killed in a crash in Freehold, authorities said. Gloria Tucker, 81, died in the crash on Thursday, Aug. 29, a Monmouth County Prosecutor's Office spokesperson said. Freehold Township police responded to the wreck on Wemrock Road near Route 33 Business at around 2:24 p.m. Investigators said Tucker was a passenger in the two-vehicle crash. She was survived by her husband, their two sons, and four grandchildren, according to her obituary from DeMarco Funeral Home. No charges or summonses have been issued as of Tuesday, Sept. 3. The Monmouth County Serious Coll…
Matt Gaudreau Was Expecting Baby With Wife, Madeline, Campaign Says Matt Gaudreau Was Expecting Baby With Wife, Madeline, Campaign Says
Matt Gaudreau Was Expecting Baby With Wife, Madeline, Campaign Says The Gaudreau family had much to look forward to. Katie Gaudreau was set to marry Devin Joyce on Friday, Aug. 30. Johnny Gaudreau and his wife, Meredith, were weeks away from celebrating their daughter's second birthday. Matt Gaudreau and his wife, Madeline, were expecting a baby, according to a GoFundMe page launched for Madeline's future. ALSO SEE: Pregnant Gaudreau Widow Has Special Message For Sister-In-Law But the Gaudreau family's happy future was ripped away from them on Thursday, Aug. 29, when brothers Matt and Johnny were struck and killed by a DUI driver …
Organs Of High School Football Player Killed In NJ Tesla Crash Will Help Others Live Organs Of High School Football Player Killed In NJ Tesla Crash Will Help Others Live
Organs Of High School Football Player Killed In NJ Tesla Crash Will Help Others Live An 18-year-old man has died nearly a week after the Tesla he was riding in was involved in a crash, police in South Jersey said. Daniel "Danny" Hass, a student at Notre Dame High School in Lawrence Township, died Saturday, Aug. 24, his family said in a post on social media. "Our happy, beautiful, warm, loving and beloved son was declared brain dead this morning," his family said. "Danny wanted to be an organ donor, and we are following his wishes! His organ donation should take place late Sunday or early Monday. NJ Sharing will have a ceremony to honor Dan’s gifts around that time." Danny…
Man Gets Out Of Car, Killed By Tractor-Trailer On NJ Turnpike, State Police Say Man Gets Out Of Car, Killed By Tractor-Trailer On NJ Turnpike, State Police Say
Man Gets Out Of Car, Killed By Tractor-Trailer On NJ Turnpike, State Police Say A Monroe Township man was killed when he got out of his car and was hit by a tractor-trailer on the New Jersey Turnpike, authorities said. Michael Veisz, 40, died in the crash on Interstate 95 North in East Brunswick on Friday, Aug. 23, a state police spokesperson said. Troopers responded to the scene near milepost 81.2 at around 5:02 a.m. Investigators said a Chevrolet Impala driven by Veisz was in a single-car crash on the southbound inner side of the turnpike. Veisz got out of the car and crossed into the northbound inner side when he was struck by an oncoming Peterbilt tractor-trai…
NJ Firefighter Severely Injured In Crash Day Before Father's Greek Burial NJ Firefighter Severely Injured In Crash Day Before Father's Greek Burial
NJ Firefighter Severely Injured In Crash Day Before Father's Greek Burial Support is on the rise for a New Jersey firefighter who was severely injured in a car crash the night before he was set his father's burial in Greece. Anthony Zougras, a Martinsville firefighter, was in the crash on Wednesday, Aug. 7, according to a GoFundMe set up to support his medical expenses. Zougras' father, Dionysios, had died unexpectedly on Sunday, July 21 and it was his wish to be buried in his hometown of Zakynthos, Greece, according to the fundraiser. Zougras requires facial reconstructive surgery and does not have medical insurance to cover the procedure and medical care …
Former Central Jersey Recreation Director Killed In I-287 Crash: 'A Real Straight-Up Guy' Former Central Jersey Recreation Director Killed In I-287 Crash: 'A Real Straight-Up Guy'
Former Central Jersey Recreation Director Killed In I-287 Crash: 'A Real Straight-Up Guy' A Plainfield man was killed in a crash on Interstate 287 in Piscataway, authorities said. David Wynn, 68, died in the wreck on I-287 South on Thursday, Aug. 15, a state police spokesperson said. Troopers responded to the crash near milepost 8.8 at around 8:24 p.m. Investigators said Wynn was driving a Chevrolet vehicle when he crashed into the back of a trailer hauled by a Chevrolet pickup. Wynn's vehicle went off the highway and hit several trees. Wynn was a former director for Plainfield's parks and recreation department, according to a city council agenda and his Facebook page. Those w…