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These Are New Jersey's Top Public Middle Schools: New Rankings Released These Are New Jersey's Top Public Middle Schools: New Rankings Released
These Are New Jersey's Top Public Middle Schools: New Rankings Released Niche has released brand-new rankings running down the best public middle schools in America. The first New Jersey school to crack the list was Alpine Middle School at No. 65, while The Davidson Academy in Reno, NV was ranked No. 1. ALSO SEE: These NJ Public High Schools Were Named Among Best In America Daily Voice broke Niche's rankings down even further to find the top public middle schools in New Jersey. They are: 10. L.C. Johnson Summit Middle School, Summit 9. Briarcliff Middle School, Mountain Lakes 8. Thomas R Grover Middle School, West Windsor 7. Sea Girt Elementary School, …
Ramsey Man Sues FanDuel Over $5,800 Loss: 'It's Atrocious' Ramsey Man Sues FanDuel Over $5,800 Loss: 'It's Atrocious'
Ramsey Man Sues FanDuel Over $5,800 Loss: 'It's Atrocious' A Bergen County man has filed a lawsuit against online sports betting website FanDuel alleging the company breached its own policy and failed to pay him his full winnings after he pulled out of an active bet. Michael Wadlow, 35, of Upper Saddle River (and soon Ramsey), filed the suit on Oct. 4 in New Jersey Superior Court alleging he self-excluded from a bet with a $5,800 cash-out option and was only refunded his inital $500 wager.  Wadlow says in self-excluding, he was relying on FanDuel's website, which says that "active and pending wagers will not be canceled" for anyone who self-ex…
Upper Saddle River Getaway Driver Arrested In Allendale Armed Robbery: Prosecutor Upper Saddle River Getaway Driver Arrested In Allendale Armed Robbery: Prosecutor
Upper Saddle River Getaway Driver Arrested In Allendale Armed Robbery: Prosecutor A 22-year-old Upper Saddle River man has been arrested in connection with a robbery last spring in Allendale. Francisco B. Verdugo drove Jahan A. Hendley to and from the scene on Monday, March 25, where Hendley robbed a victim at gunpoint, stealing marijuana, a bottle of liquor, and about $900 in cash from inside his apartment, Bergen County Prosecutor Mark Musella said.  While fleeing, Hendley pointed his gun at another victim who was unrelated to the incident but happened to be in the area of the apartment complex. Hendley was later arrested for an unrelated incident, and o…
Wild Garden State Parkway, Route 17 Pursuit Led By Teens In Stolen Car Ends In Crash: Police Wild Garden State Parkway, Route 17 Pursuit Led By Teens In Stolen Car Ends In Crash: Police
Wild Garden State Parkway, Route 17 Pursuit Led By Teens In Stolen Car Ends In Crash: Police Three teenagers were in custody after leading Paramus police on a pursuit that ended in a crash just off the Garden State Parkway on Tuesday, Aug. 13, authorities said. The teen boys, ages 15, 16, and 15 — from Newark, Orange, and Paterson, respectively — were fleeing an Upper Saddle River patrolman in a stolen 2023 Honda Civic southbound on Route 17 around 4:50 a.m., Paramus Police Chief Robert Guidetti said. Paramus Officer Don Liu saw the stolen car as it exited onto the Garden State Parkway south. The suspect vehicle lost control and intentionally struck the side of a marked Paramus pat…
$4.75M Mansion Is Most Expensive Home Ever Sold In Upper Saddle River $4.75M Mansion Is Most Expensive Home Ever Sold In Upper Saddle River
$4.75M Mansion Is Most Expensive Home Ever Sold In Upper Saddle River The sale of a newly-built, 11,800-square-foot home is breaking records in one Bergen County town. The 6-bedroom, 6.5-bathroom brand-new property at 17 Harvey Ln., in Upper Saddle River sold for $4.75 million this week with Tony Nabhan of Keller Williams City Views. View this post on Instagram A post shared by Tony Nabhan (@tony.nabhan) Nabhan said the home, which sits on just over 1.1 acres of land, was originally listed for $3.5 million during the design phase. After the property owner added an in-ground pool, a garage bay (bringing the tota…
High Winds Knock Tree Onto Car In Upper Saddle River, Trap Female Driver From NYS High Winds Knock Tree Onto Car In Upper Saddle River, Trap Female Driver From NYS
High Winds Knock Tree Onto Car In Upper Saddle River, Trap Female Driver From NYS A 45-year-old driver from New York escaped serious injury when Monday's high winds knocked a tree onto her sedan near the state line in Upper Saddle River. Firefighters from Upper Saddle River and Mahwah freed the alert trapped motorist from the 2023 Toyota Corolla following the 2:10 p.m. March 11 crash on Weiss Road at Maple Road, Police Capt. Edward Kane said. They not only had to deal with the tree but also live power lines that had fallen around it, the captain said. Members of Hatzoloh EMS who assisted took Hackensack Medical Center with what were believed to be minor injuries, he s…
Paramus Officer Nabs Teens In Route 17 Stop With Nearly Two Dozen Pieces Of Stolen Mail Paramus Officer Nabs Teens In Route 17 Stop With Nearly Two Dozen Pieces Of Stolen Mail
Paramus Officer Nabs Teens In Route 17 Stop With Nearly Two Dozen Pieces Of Stolen Mail A Paramus police officer caught a trio of teens with nearly two dozen pieces of mail -- tax-related paperwork, utility payments and such from Saddle River and Upper Saddle River -- during a traffic stop, authorities said. Officer Nicholas Tanelli stopped their speeding Toyota Highlander near Midland Avenue on southbound Route 17 shortly after 2:30 a.m. Monday, Feb. 5, Police Chief Robert M. Guidetti said. The driver, Robert Marte-Nunez, 18, of Queens didn't have a license, registration or insurance for the vehicle, the chief said. Tanelli was talking with Marte-Nunez when he spotted the un…
Charles Osgood, Former Host Of 'CBS Sunday Morning,' North Jersey Resident, Dies At 91 Charles Osgood, Former Host Of 'CBS Sunday Morning,' North Jersey Resident, Dies At 91
Charles Osgood, Former Host Of 'CBS Sunday Morning,' North Jersey Resident, Dies At 91 Charles Osgood, a fixture on "CBS Sunday Morning" for decades and a longtime resident of Bergen County, died on Tuesday, Jan. 23 at the age of 91 from dementia in Upper Saddle River, his family announced in an obituary shared by CBS News.  Osgood, born Charles Osgood Wood III joined CBS News in 1971 and anchored the venerable Sunday morning broadcast for 22 years from 1994 to 2016. He also appeared on "CBS Morning News" and "CBS Evening News with Dan Rather," and hosted "The Osgood File" on CBS Radio.  His signature signoff was "I'll see you on the radio." Our beloved former …
UPDATE: Car Thieves In Fiery Utility Pole Crash That Closed Route 17 Are Both 15 UPDATE: Car Thieves In Fiery Utility Pole Crash That Closed Route 17 Are Both 15
Update: Car Thieves In Fiery Utility Pole Crash That Closed Route 17 Are Both 15 The driver and passenger in a stolen Range Rover that hit a utility pole, rolled over and ignited a cluster of fires during a pre-dawn police chase Friday on Route 17 are both 15-year-old juveniles from Newark, authorities said. The Range Rover and a silver Porsche Panamera were both stolen from the garage of a Carlton Road residence in Wyckoff after the thieves broke into the home and found the keys shortly before 4:30 a.m. Dec. 8, Wyckoff Police Lt. Joseph Soto said. Paramus police who heard an alert from their Wyckoff colleagues spotted both vehicles minutes later heading east on Route 4…
UPDATE: Stolen Car Crash Into Utility Pole Closes Route 17, Fleeing Juveniles Captured UPDATE: Stolen Car Crash Into Utility Pole Closes Route 17, Fleeing Juveniles Captured
Update: Stolen Car Crash Into Utility Pole Closes Route 17, Fleeing Juveniles Captured The driver and passenger in a stolen Range Rover that hit a utility pole, rolled over and ignited a cluster of flames during a pre-dawn police chase Friday on Route 17 are both 15-year-old juveniles from Newark, authorities said. The Range Rover and a silver Porsche Panamera were both stolen from the garage of a Carlton Road residence in Wyckoff after the thieves broke into the home and found the keys shortly before 4:30 a.m. Dec. 8, Wyckoff Police Lt. Joseph Soto said. Paramus police who heard an alert from their Wyckoff colleagues spotted both vehicles minutes later heading east on Route …
Unofficial Results Of Bergen County Mayoral Elections (DEVELOPING) Unofficial Results Of Bergen County Mayoral Elections (DEVELOPING)
Unofficial Results Of Bergen County Mayoral Elections (Developing) The results of Bergen County's 38 mayoral races are rolling in. Votes were being counted in real time on the Bergen County elections website.  Here is the vote count for the mayoral races as of 8 a.m. Wednesday, Nov. 8, according to the county's election result website. ** NOTE: This is a developing story. Totals are not final ** Bergenfield:  Arvin Amatorio (D)* — 100% of votes Bogota (replacing Claudia Lopez): Mary Ellen Murphy (D) — 54% Daniele Fede (R) — 46% Carlstadt: Lorraine Joewono (D) — 22% Robert J. Zimmerman (R)* — 77% Cliffside Park: Thomas Calabrese (D)* —…
Bergen Dad, Son Busted Again, This Time In $2.5M Jersey Shore ‘Fix-and-Flip’ Scheme Bergen Dad, Son Busted Again, This Time In $2.5M Jersey Shore ‘Fix-and-Flip’ Scheme
Bergen Dad, Son Busted Again, This Time In $2.5M Jersey Shore ‘Fix-and-Flip’ Scheme It seemed state and federal prosecutors had thrown all they could at a Bergen County father and son for a series of multi-million-dollar investment scams. But state authorities announced a new indictment against both men on Monday, Nov. 6. This time, George Bussanich, Sr., 65, of Park Ridge, and George Bussanich, Jr., 43, of Upper Saddle River, are charged with defrauding investors and mortgage lenders out of more than $2.5 million through a “fix and flip” investment scam involving Jersey Shore real estate. Victims believed they were funding the purchase, renovation, and resale of four…
Upper Saddle River Fire Department Raising Funds For New Kitchen Upper Saddle River Fire Department Raising Funds For New Kitchen
Upper Saddle River Fire Department Raising Funds For New Kitchen The Upper Saddle River Fire Department needs a new kitchen and the community is coming together to help. A fundraiser has been launched to assist in raising money for the project. As of Friday, Oct. 27, almost $2,200 has been raised.  The kitchen has not been renovated since the 1970s, Erik Seay, the secretary for the fire department said. Seay said the goal is to make the kitchen more accessible and exceed current safety standards. "Our fire department serves as an emergency shelter during natural disasters and we need to modernize our kitchen to continue providing this service," Sea…
SCAM ALERT: 'Traveler' Busted In Attempted $15K Driveway Repair Ripoff In Upper Saddle River SCAM ALERT: 'Traveler' Busted In Attempted $15K Driveway Repair Ripoff In Upper Saddle River
Scam ALERT: 'Traveler' Busted In Attempted $15K Driveway Repair Ripoff In Upper Saddle River A transient was arrested after scamming an Upper Saddle River homeowner out of $2,000 and then demanding $13,000 more, authorities said. William Connors, 50, solicited the work from a resident on the north side of town by offering "leftover materials from a nearby job," USR Police Capt. Edward Kane said. Connors got a $2,000 down payment for the fraud on Wednesday, Oct. 4, then returned to the victim's home on Thursday and insisted on $13,000 more, the captain said. The driveway had to be entirely replaced as a result, Kane noted. Connors, meanwhile, was arrested by borough police who dis…
Amputee In Wheelchair Busted For Baseball Bat Assault In Upper Saddle River Amputee In Wheelchair Busted For Baseball Bat Assault In Upper Saddle River
Amputee In Wheelchair Busted For Baseball Bat Assault In Upper Saddle River A 62-year-old amputee previously accused of setting a fire in his luxury high-rise apartment in Fort Lee was jailed on domestic assault charges following a weekend incident at an Upper Saddle River home. Jay Freedman was taken into custody at the $1.3 million home in the south end of Upper Saddle River around 8 a.m. Sunday, Oct. 1, according to a police report. Freedman is accused of hitting the victim with a baseball bat, it says. The victim reportedly refused treatment. Meanwhile, Freedman, who has a prosthetic leg and was reportedly using a wheelchair, was taken to Bergen New Bridge Me…
GOTCHA! Mahwah, Upper Saddle River PDs Nab Rockland Man In Commercial Burglary Spree GOTCHA! Mahwah, Upper Saddle River PDs Nab Rockland Man In Commercial Burglary Spree
Gotcha! Mahwah, Upper Saddle River PDs Nab Rockland Man In Commercial Burglary Spree Police from Mahwah and Upper Saddle River teamed up to nab a serial burglar from Rockland County who broke into several well-known area businesses – including a local mini mart that was victimized twice, authorities said. Carlos M. Martinez Amaya wasn't only charged with burglarizing the Mahwah Bar & Grill, Ernie’s Ice Cream and the Fardale Deli & Mini Mart (twice). He's also accused of commercial burglaries in Upper Saddle River and Franklin Township and with pointing a gun at someone. Minimal proceeds were taken during break-ins the same night, March 31, at Ernie’s on Franklin Tu…
10 Packed Into Pickup Chased Down By Police, Rush-Hour Traffic Stopped On GS Parkway 10 Packed Into Pickup Chased Down By Police, Rush-Hour Traffic Stopped On GS Parkway
10 Packed Into Pickup Chased Down By Police, Rush-Hour Traffic Stopped On GS Parkway Nearly a dozen people packed into a pickup truck stopped weekend rush-hour traffic on the Garden State Parkway after they tried to run from a brigade of area police. A few in the group of mostly juveniles were reportedly seen dashing north on the southbound Parkway toward the New York State border before police nabbed them shortly after 4:30 p.m. Friday, Aug. 18. Montvale police seized two adults and eight minors with help from New Jersey State Police, Bergen County sheriff's officers and colleagues from Park Ridge, Saddle River, Upper Saddle River and Woodcliff Lake, Montvale Police C…
Broker Loses Registration, Fined $150G For Going Rogue With Hudson Valley Tequila Startup Broker Loses Registration, Fined $150G For Going Rogue With Hudson Valley Tequila Startup
Broker Loses Registration, Fined $150G For Going Rogue With Hudson Valley Tequila Startup A former New Jersey broker-dealer agent from Rockland County had his registration revoked and was fined $150,000 for steering clients to a Hudson Valley tequila startup whose founder went to federal prison. Michael W. Mandel of Suffern sold the securities in the form of ownership interests in "6 Degree Tequila" via unauthorized private transactions, state Attorney General Matthew J. Platkin said.  Records show Mandel was working at the time as an agent and investment adviser representative for two New Jersey broker-dealers -- Royal Alliance Associates in Old Tappan and, later, LPL Fina…
NJ Broker Loses Registration, Fined $150G For Going Rogue With Hudson Valley Tequila Startup NJ Broker Loses Registration, Fined $150G For Going Rogue With Hudson Valley Tequila Startup
NJ Broker Loses Registration, Fined $150G For Going Rogue With Hudson Valley Tequila Startup A former New Jersey broker-dealer agent from Rockland County had his registration revoked and was fined $150,000 for steering clients to a Hudson Valley tequila startup whose founder went to federal prison. Michael W. Mandel of Suffern sold the securities in the form of ownership interests in "6 Degree Tequila" via unauthorized private transactions, state Attorney General Matthew J. Platkin said.  Records show Mandel was working at the time as an agent and investment adviser representative for two New Jersey broker-dealers -- Royal Alliance Associates in Old Tappan and, later, LPL Fina…
Body Recovered From Lake Hopatcong Body Recovered From Lake Hopatcong
Body Recovered From Lake Hopatcong New Jersey State Police divers recovered the body of an 80-year-old man from Lake Hopatcong following a boating accident earlier this week, authorities said. Edward Sikora, 80, of Upper Saddle River, was reported missing Monday, July 24, when his boat drifted into a dock on Thompson Lane in Hopatcong, according to New Jersey State Police Sgt. Philip Curry. Searchers looked Monday in Henderson Cove, but ultimately found his body under the surface of the water on Tuesday, Curry said. The official cause of death is pending autopsy and the case remains under investigation.
Former Mahwah High School Standout Chosen In First Round Of MLB Draft (Don't Look, Yankee Fans) Former Mahwah High School Standout Chosen In First Round Of MLB Draft (Don't Look, Yankee Fans)
Former Mahwah High School Standout Chosen In First Round Of MLB Draft (Don't Look, Yankee Fans) There was joy even in Yankeeville -- aka North Jersey -- when Mahwah High School standout Kyle Teel was selected 14th in the 2023 Major League Baseball draft by the Boston Red Sox. “It’s a dream come true,” Teel said during a virtual news conference after he was drafted on Sunday, July 9. “I’ve always wanted to be a pro baseball player, and I’m so excited and ready to get to work.” It was no surprise to those who know Teel, a consensus 1st team All American at the University of Virginia who won awards as the best collegiate catcher in the game and was New Jersey's Player of the Year in 202…
Neighbors Help Hydrate Firefighters Dousing Garage Blaze In Mahwah Neighbors Help Hydrate Firefighters Dousing Garage Blaze In Mahwah
Neighbors Help Hydrate Firefighters Dousing Garage Blaze In Mahwah Neighbors brought water bottles and firefighters from Rockland joined their colleagues on the New Jersey side of the border in dousing a garage blaze in Mahwah. The fire broke out on Sherwood Avenue, a mile from the state line, shortly before 8 p.m. Wednesday, July 5. Working swiftly in the 90-degree heat, crews needed less than 10 minutes to keep the blaze from doing serious damage to the home just 10 feet away. Mahwah Rescue and the township's other fire companies all responded.  Mutual aid responders either at the scene or in coverage included firefighters from Allendale, Franklin Lak…
Teen Passenger In Route 17 Stop Had Loaded Gun, Magazine, Drugs, Cash: Upper Saddle River PD Teen Passenger In Route 17 Stop Had Loaded Gun, Magazine, Drugs, Cash: Upper Saddle River PD
Teen Passenger In Route 17 Stop Had Loaded Gun, Magazine, Drugs, Cash: Upper Saddle River PD An 18-year-old passenger was found carrying a loaded gun, drugs for sale and $3,000 in suspected proceeds during a Route 17 traffic stop, Upper Saddle River police said. Officer Jake Chiavelli stopped the Toyota Corolla for motor vehicle violations on the northbound highway near Franklin Turnpike around 11 p.m. Friday, June 30, Upper Saddle River Detective Capt. Edward Kane said. Passenger Jiovanni Contreras, 18, of Paterson had the .40-caliber handgun with a 25-round extended magazine inside his pant leg, Kane said. He and a 17-year-old city resident sitting next to him had "distribution …
HEROES: Saddle River Police Sergeant, Officer Douse Growing House Fire HEROES: Saddle River Police Sergeant, Officer Douse Growing House Fire
Heroes: Saddle River Police Sergeant, Officer Douse Growing House Fire Smoke rolled out the front door as Saddle River Police Sgt. Diana Golonek and Officer Grant Novak arrived at a house fire just before midnight Thursday. The living-room blaze was beginning to cook, leaving the pair little time. Golonek emptied two fire extinguishers on the flames while Novak opened a garden hose he'd pulled through an open French door of the 5,000-square-foot house on tiny dead-ended Dogwood Drive late on June 28. Together, they beat back the flames and had the blaze knocked down by the time borough firefighters arrived. The residents got out OK and no injuries were repor…
Driver, 14, Leads Paramus Stolen Car Chase Ending With Hackensack Crash, Pet Parakeet Recovered Driver, 14, Leads Paramus Stolen Car Chase Ending With Hackensack Crash, Pet Parakeet Recovered
Driver, 14, Leads Paramus Stolen Car Chase Ending With Hackensack Crash, Pet Parakeet Recovered A 14-year-old boy whose passenger was carrying a pet parakeet in his backpack led Paramus police on an overnight stolen car chase that ended with a crash down a Hackensack dead end. An officer in Upper Saddle River first spotted the 2015 Hyundai Sonata on Lake Street around 2 a.m. and issued an alert to police in surrounding towns. Paramus Officer Michael Mordaga was waiting as the sedan, reported stolen out of Belleville nearly 24 hours before, sped past him on southbound Route 17. Mordaga activated his emergency lights and siren, but the young driver from Newark kept going, Paramus Polic…
Compulsive Child Sex Offender From Bergen Released After Serving Only 19 Months Busted Again Compulsive Child Sex Offender From Bergen Released After Serving Only 19 Months Busted Again
Compulsive Child Sex Offender From Bergen Released After Serving Only 19 Months Busted Again That didn't take long. A convicted sex offender from Bergen County who was released earlier this year after serving less than two years for exchanging nude photos with children moved into a Route 17 motel and was right back at it in no time, authorities said Friday. Frank Cirino, 69, has a history of similar behavior dating back to 2007. In one instance, Bergen County detectives said they caught him posing as a 14-year-old female online to exchange graphic photos with underage girls. Paramus police said he was viewing similar images in his car the following year while parked at the Fashion…
Hidden Handgun, Hollow-Point Ammo Found, Out-Of-State Resident Seized In Route 17 Stop Hidden Handgun, Hollow-Point Ammo Found, Out-Of-State Resident Seized In Route 17 Stop
Hidden Handgun, Hollow-Point Ammo Found, Out-Of-State Resident Seized In Route 17 Stop An out-of-state resident had a gun stashed beneath the front seat of a Prius stopped by an Upper Saddle River police officer on Route 17, authorities said. Officer Jake Chiavelli pulled the driver over late this weekend for motor vehicle violations, Detective Capt. Edward Kane said. Backseat passenger Dominic Scott, 22, of Summerville, NC, tried to hide a 9mm Glock 19 semi-automatic handgun under the front passenger seat as the officer approached, the captain said. Police seized the weapon, which was loaded with hollow-point bullets and had a high-capacity magazine attached, and arrested S…
UPDATE: Yet Another Memorial Day Weekend Fire Ravages Upper Saddle River Home UPDATE: Yet Another Memorial Day Weekend Fire Ravages Upper Saddle River Home
Update: Yet Another Memorial Day Weekend Fire Ravages Upper Saddle River Home Yet another Memorial Day weekend fire in North Jersey blew through the roof of an Upper Saddle River home. The blaze in the two-story, 4,200-square-foot Carlough Road house near the Rockland County border broke out around 8 p.m. May 27, bringing firefighters from both sides of the state line. They had the fire knocked down and under control in roughly 40 minutes -- but not before it severely damaged multiple floors at one end of the house. Flames blew through the roof of the Carlough Road house near the Rockland County border in Upper Saddle River.Ethan Hayes for DAILY VOICE No injurie…
Tractor-Trailer Tips Across Route 17 Tractor-Trailer Tips Across Route 17
Tractor-Trailer Tips Across Route 17 A tractor-trailer tipped across the entire southbound side of Route 17 early Saturday, closing the highway coming down from Route 287. The rig ran up the grassy curb outside Jack Daniels Porsche in Upper Saddle River, took down a sign and pitched onto its side, leaving it lying across both shoulders and all three lanes, shortly before midnight April 29. The road remained closed while heavy-duty wreckers from Big Tows righted the rig. Big Tows Inc. righted the rig following the late-night mishap on southbound Route 17 in Upper Saddle River.Ramsey Rescue There were no other vehicles invo…
USR Girl Bitten By Dog Undergoes Surgery, Sees Community Support USR Girl Bitten By Dog Undergoes Surgery, Sees Community Support
USR Girl Bitten By Dog Undergoes Surgery, Sees Community Support A family in Upper Saddle River needs all the help they can get after their 3-year-old daughter was severely injured after being bitten by a dog — and their neighbors are rising to the occasion.  On Friday, April 21, Willow Galasso was playing with the family dog when the dog became startled and bit her face, according to a GoFundMe campaign. She was taken to Valley Hospital and then transferred to Hackensack University Medical Center's trauma center because of the severity of her injuries, according to the campaign set up by Diana Reinkraut, a friend of the family. Willow underwent em…
Naked, Agitated Route 17 Motel Guest Trashes Room, Seized By SWAT Naked, Agitated Route 17 Motel Guest Trashes Room, Seized By SWAT
Naked, Agitated Route 17 Motel Guest Trashes Room, Seized By SWAT A naked, agitated Route 17 motel guest was quickly seized by a Bergen County Regional SWAT team on Monday after he trashed his room, authorities said. The 46-year-old man, originally from Paramus, appeared in the throes of what looked like "excited delirium" when Upper Saddle River police were called to the Fair Motel at 12:47 p.m. April 17, responders said. The man was outside the room, naked and bleeding, when responders arrived and then immediately ran inside and barricaded the door, Upper Saddle River Police Detective Capt. Edward Kane said. Several responders converged on the Fair…